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Topic Posted by: songbird
Date Posted: Wed Jan 25 21:50:46 2012
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I have a problem! Our cat, Sweetie, MUST go to the vet. We've never had her to the vet because she was a feral stray when she began hanging around here about a year ago. She does not socialize with other people, is terrified of everyone except us, and fears entrapment. However, we placed a trap in the laundry room, sprayed it with cat nip spray, and tossed in some toys that were also sprayed. Surprisingly, she will go in and retrieve them. These have been practice sessions to determine if we could get her to go into the trap.

Since she'll require surgery, she's allowed no water or food after midnight. She would go to the vet the next morning. We're not allowed to sedate her to calm her. I'm terrified that she will injure herself in the trap because she may go berserk in there once she's actually trapped. My daughter just had the same thing happen with an adopted kitten and the poor thing slashed it's paw, tore out nails, injured it's throat, and had an abdominal hematoma.

What if Sweetie goes berserk and possibly hurts herself? Will all of this be too much trauma for her? Btw, I'm not the person who brought her in the house. I planned on trapping her outside but Mr SB somehow got her inside the house and she has never wanted to go out again. Surprise! She's now afraid of the outdoors!!

We use Feliway plug ins and cat nip spray to try to relax her. It helps, but this poor cat is never going to be normal. It's sad to see how emotionally fragile she is. Makes us wonder what happened to her. Sorry if I rambled. I'm ready to pull my hair out.

Any advice????





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Posted by: songbird
Date posted: Thu Jan 26 16:14:31 2012
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Thank you for all the responses and helpful suggestions. I'll be back a bit later to post a few replies. Thank you so much.



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Posted by: Patem111
Date posted: Thu Jan 26 11:53:40 2012
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I agree with I & B that the soft sided carrier is a godsend.  My baby MamaMia was a feral stray when I took her in and I pretty much did what Ingy suggested and eventually got her used to her carrier with treats and a towel inside which she used for a bed for the longest time.  Before she became diabetic had has less frequent trips to the vet, she was pretty good about going in the carrier.  She's not as good now, but once in, she settles down relatively quick.

About the prozac, please do ask your vet about that.  My girlfriend has a hypersensitive cat and travel to and from the vet was a nightmare.   Her vet gave her a script for liquid prozac and she gives it to her kitty the day before in a very small dose and it has made a world of difference.  It wears off the following day and it is a less traumatic experience not only for her kitty but for her as well.

Good luck Songbird!  Let us know how it goes.

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  • Patem...I'm afraid that Sweetie will tear up a soft sided carrier. I've had a lot of cats over the years and never one this strong or wild with huge nails that we can't clip! We've gotten Sweetie used to the trap. She would have nothing to do with a plastic carrier and we could never get the door shut fast enough. Nightmare, yes, that's Sweetie. I've talked to 3 vets about sedation and neither wants to do it because she's going in for surgery and she's a new patient. I'm going to keep pressing about sedation. Maybe *I* need the Prozac! Thanks for your excellent ideas and continued good luck with your MamaMia and the treatment of her diabetes. I'll let you all know how it goes. Thank you. /sb

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    Posted by: SheilaT
    Date posted: Thu Jan 26 10:44:20 2012
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    Songbird, all three of our cats (we found them under our porch when they were tiny kittens) hate being taken to the vet or to the boarding kennel (part of the vet's complex) where we placed them for a couple of vacations just after we adopted them.  They apparently didn't do well in the kennel; one kitten, my favorite, would eat almost nothing while he was there. 

    We eventually stopped boarding them or even taking them to the vet altogether, which we know is not a good idea.  So I am benefiting from the  suggestions you get here.  The idea of a soft carrier seems absolutely brilliant to me.  And I may also ask the vet about trying Prozac or another ant-anxiety drug for pre-visit.

    This place is pretty terrific, isn't it?  Good luck with Sweetie . . . stray, even feral, cats can be the most wonderful critters in the world!

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  • SheilaT....I understand the kitty problems you've shared. I'm sure you're aware that there are various types of ferals and that will determine if the cats will eventually bond with you in any way. Some do and others do not have the ability. Many vets use drugs such a Prozac to treat ''special needs'' cats and mine is certainly special needs. My problem is that they won't allow me to medicate her because she'll be having surgery soon after we take her in. I would think that dosing her the night before would help us get her into some type of carrier / trap and make life easier for everyone. The drug should be worn off by the time of surgery. I think the problem may be that she's never been to the vet so they won't dispense an Rx. None will. *sigh* Thanks for the good luck wish and, yes, this is a great place. I've been around for almost 12 years (lurked for a bit) /sb

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    Posted by: ingyandbert
    Date posted: Thu Jan 26 9:22:55 2012
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    I feel for you, Songbird.  Wendell was apparently feral before we adopted him and he seems to be capable of bonding with people only to a certain extent.  Like you, we had a hard time getting him into a cat carrier for vet trips in the beginning.  (He still doesn't like it but at least he complies.)

    I have a few suggestions for you:

    1.  Consider a soft-sided carrier as opposed to a hard carrier.  That might reduce the chance of injury to Sweetie if she acts-out at being confined since there are no metal doors, hard surfaces, etc.

    2.  Keep the carrier someplace where Sweetie can't help but pass by it multiple times a day.  Make sure the carrier door/flap is always open.  Place toys or treats inside at the far end.  Whenever you see Sweetie enter the carrier, praise her.  If she'll allow it, reach in and pet her a bit.  The idea is for her to associate the carrier with positive things. 

    3.  Place a small pillow or cushion, a folded up towel or a small blanket inside the carrier to encourage Sweetie to think of it as a bed.  She may get comfortable enough to hang out or nap inside the carrier.  She needs to think of the carrier as her private, personal space.

    4.  [Except for occasions when she's allowed no food before a vet visit] after Sweetie enters the carrier and before you close the carrier completely, drop a treat inside so Sweetie gets a reward for being confined.  Then give her another treat in the car and one more inside the vet's office.  She shouldn't need any treat for the trip home as she will already be motivated to get back to her normal environment. 

    5.  You might also consider putting Sweetie on Prozac or some other medication that will help her cope in general.  We ultimately placed Wendell on Prozac (a tiny dose) and it has made a tremendous difference.  I only wish we had put him on it sooner. He is much calmer (but not sleepy, sluggish, or ''drugged'') and his personality is sweeter because he is no longer constantly on the defensive.  He is much more playful now and generally speaking just a happier, more comfortable cat.  Our vet thinks that eventually, Wendell can come off the medication completely but for now the Prozac has helped take the edge off for him.  Consider talking with your vet about what options might be appropriate for Sweetie.

    Good luck to both of you.  Sweetie is fortunate to have a mom who is looking at things from her perspective and trying to find solutions instead of just getting frustrated with her.  Let us know how it goes.

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  • Your suggestions are wonderful, i&b! I plan to use them so we can get our cats to the vet for exams and to get their vaccinations updated. I am so relieved to have a game plan for our scaredy cats! /SheilaT
  • Ingy...
  • Hi ingy.....I remember you sharing your thoughts about Wendell being feral at some point. Since February, Sweetie has only bonded with me and Mr SB. People don't even know we have a cat. We should have called her Phantom!!! Like Wendell, I think she can only bond to a limited extent and even that bonding isn't like that of most cats. As you may surmise, her trust factor is very erratic ....... [more inside]
  • Ours is a HavaHeart trap. You can get them at Home Depot for about $40. Very easy to use but I'd put something soft in the back of the cage for kitty to lie on. The wire cage itself wouldn't be too comfortable for her. ~i&b
  • Thanks, ingy. We'll go to Home Depot and look at the trap. We will also incorporate some of your suggestions regarding making the trap kitty friendly. Wish me luck. Miss Sweetie is a pistol. /sb

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    Posted by: Angela
    Date posted: Thu Jan 26 9:17:18 2012
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    songbird..I do not know anything about cats but I am sure you will get great advice here..best of luck with everything..xoxox

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  • Thanks, Angela. I've received some excellent advice and I'm going to need it with this poor cat. I care about her but it's been very trying. /sb

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    Posted by: Wendi
    Date posted: Thu Jan 26 8:03:31 2012
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    Songbird, can you let her stay out (of the trap) overnight with no access to food or water and then get her in the trap in the morning just before you have to take her? If she's anything like my cat it will be a mostly sleepless night for you as you listen to her complain, but I don't think you'll get much sleep anyway if you're worried about her hurting herself in the trap. This will be a difficult experience for her (and you) but hopefully once she's home she'll forget about it pretty quickly.

    Good luck!

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  • SB, not sure if I misunderstood, at first I thought you were worried about Sweetie being in the trap overnight, but reading your post again I'm not sure. If you're planning on getting her in the trap just before you leave for the vet, I'd think as long as you stay near her and reassure her that she'll stay relatively calm, and hopefully it's not too long of a ride to the vet. //Wendi
  • Wendi.... That's my concern - length of time being trapped without sedation. She will not go into the trap if we stay by her. We will have to set the trap (the night before) now that we know that she goes in. We'll spray with catnip and wait for her to go in for her mouse. Hopefully, she'll step on the thing that shuts the trap door. We tried a carrier but had so many problems and could never manually shut the door before she fought her way out. Without sedation, I'm so fearful of her injuring herself. I couldn't believe what happened to my daughter's kitty and she was in a plastic cat carrier!! We're trying to avoid having an injured cat or getting injured ourselves. She's already bitten me several times and then a few minutes later she wants affection. This is an abnormal cat. Thanks for the good luck wishes. /sb

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    Posted by: Isis
    Date posted: Thu Jan 26 0:19:04 2012
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    Songbird, my dear friend, ....when you take in a ferrel friend, sometimes these animals don't neccerilly adapt to US

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  • You've got that right. *I* didn't bring her in and tried to get her back outside so I could trap her out there, not in the house. However, she's afraid to go out now! Go figure. As I explained in my topic, she's not normal. We have no idea whether something happened to her or she was born the way she is. It's maddening but sad at the same time. /sb

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