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Yikes - I did not say entitlements properly, and sorry not stating clearly what I meant. I understand that entitlements are welfare, and I am quite aware that I have been paying for medicare and social security. That said I do not believe the money my husband (who has serious health issues) has contributed in his lifetime is anywhere near the another of money to cover his medical bills. The additional money comes from the "social security pool" but I have read that 30 years ago 16 people contributed to every one person in social security and now that figure is 3 people per everyone one on SS. The additional money is going to have to come from somewhere, as will the money to pay for health and providing health care for illegal aliens which I assume we will do. I just don't think taxing the rich alone will garner the money needed to get us out of debt and pay for health, but I have no idea because I have never heard any kind of figure given. When you look at countries where they have paid for health care, college, etc ( Scandenavia for instance) the taxes are around 50% for everyone, I think. All of this stuff has to get paid for and I just wonder if taxing the rich will take care of everything. Also, with all of the outrage at corporate greed, are people devested their IRA's, stocks, or mutual funds of those corporate raiders. I have only CD's so I again I am not that knowledgable about stocks.
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You can knock off the kerap about 'entitlements' like it's some form of welfare. Hubby and I have contributed to SS and Medicare our entire lives...it's NOT welfare, it's our due.
Every other civilized country in this world takes care of their elderly and more importantly helps it's citizens with medical care, especially the elderly.
JOb creators my a##. When they create the jobs they can have their so called tax cuts. The Repubs. want to increase taxes on the middle class and poor...Cain and his 999...raises taxes on those least able to pay. Romeny wants to raise taxes on the middle class.
We need to cut being the so called 'policeman' of the world and get the HE!! out of Afganistan. We have absolutely NO business there. We can save billions by cutting back on defense spending but that will NEVER happen as defense contractors are huge contributors to our politians. Money for the huge defense contractors, nothing for our most vunerable citizens...bu!!sh!t.
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I am so sick of hearing people refer to Social Security as an entitlement. I have been paying for it my whole life.
Damn right I am entitled to it ! !
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What I find significant, the first example of describing Social Security and Medicare as "entitlements" --- according to Wikipedia's source for the definition of the term --- came last year.
Ironically, the article cited, http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-18/politics/politics_super-committee_1_spending-cuts-democrats-republicans?_s=PM:POLITICS, doesn't even mention the word.
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First, we need to understand that government at all levels, federal, state, local, is a wholly owned entity of big corporations and the rich. Let's just get that out of the way.
Second, I don't see Medicare or Social Security as an entitlement. An entitlement is something you expect to receive without any contribution. Working Americans have been forced to contribute both to Medicare and Social Security so it is only fair that when the time comes, they get what they are owed. I'm 16 years away from SS and when those checks start coming I will have earned every penny.
Third, we do need to reduce spending and raise revenue. Everyone who can needs to pay their fair share. Most wealthy people have investments, not income and investments are taxed at a lower rate than income. So you and I will pay a higher percentage of or money in taxes than someone who living off the fortune their grandfather earned. As for reducing spending, this Congress has been hell bent on the pennies going to Planned Parenthood or WIIC. It not enough money to make a difference and hurts people who need the help. One commentator said it's like saying you want to lose weight so you take the parsley off your plate and leave the fried chicken.
Also, the Republicans are always arguing that you can't tax the job creators, who by the way, are doing a piss poor job at creating jobs. I think actual job creators should be rewarded with a tax break, but it should be in some form of a payment in lieu of taxex (PILOT). You get the tax break AFTER you create the job. You don't get a tax break and we all just have to hope that you'll create a job or two. Any corporation that moves jobs overseas should lose all tax credits. If you put Americans out of work, you should have to pay for it.
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